"We believe that the current, dominant model of manhood or masculinity is oppressive to women, as well as limiting for men themselves." In this article (very serious but with spelling mistakes) about N.A. pro-feminist men. "Some men emphasize the privilege that men receive by virtue of being men in a patriarchal or male-dominated society," that is true but what about the equality and disputable behavour etc. when it comes to more specific inequalities like "class, race, sexuality, age and other such things are important influences." National Organization for Men Against Sexism - talks about the "institutionalization of heterosexism" in this article. Homosexuals facing similar abuse as ant-semite jews. Their an idea of more sexual freedom, opening up yourselves to a group of people that don't have power in 'the social arena'. The "emasculation {castration, or humiliation of a man} of Jews and stereotyping of homosexuals to perpetuate an excuse for dehumanization and a perception of facile {the neat and easy} targeting for violence." Does the homosexual play a good role in the 'vigilance against social injustice' and inequality? This author described this article references to John Stoltenberg Refusing to be a Man John Stoltenberg who talks about men having understanding of women with issues about male supremecy, not "paving over" issues of violence against women experiences in youth, adolescence and coming from a mutual "perspective of their pacifism, their anti-racism, or their commitment to economic justice."

How many people really relate with the idea of sexuality longing for touching and feeling but not 'coercion' and 'dominance' that becomes a role player. The men "influenced by different strands of feminism" that can stand above the sexual/social hierarchy and be egaltarian! Pro-feminist, male positives, they build alliances with...... well it explains men M.P. are working out issues with masculinity, looking down on violence, look at feminism through heterosexual paths, or homosexuals look at it because of sexism and escape from oppressive standards, and pro-feminist men can be targeted because of their non-stereotypical behavour that would make people believe they're gay. Their approach to solving problems of men and boys in a different approach that the traditional male-ego decided in the past.

On a bit of a lighter note, Hugo Schwyzer - "But even when I was single, I never had trouble “meeting” women, finding sexual partners, or getting into relationships. (I had tremendous problems making relationships work, but that’s a whole ‘nother story.) Writing those words makes me uncomfortable; they seem filled with macho swagger." He goes on to describe successful PUA males as sympathetic to those who aren't. Hugo also says to honour the enthusiastic cooperation of dual consent!! And Claire Thorn - "The pressure put on men to be initiators, yet avoid seeming creepy or aggressive leads to an unpleasant double bind." She's coming to terms with S&M, BDSM fantasies of her younger years uses the term 'slut' and about being overt with her sexual desires. This article states that similar to the last one women become a kind of possession object, and "many PUAs (pick up artists) themselves treat women as almost completely interchangeable with each other" Pick Up Artists - Geek Feminism Wiki then links to this it is basically saying activities for a couple then adding 'geek' to the word female, 'female geek', along with activities...... What does "geek" mean? Some have said it means the giving up of a social life to immerse one's self in some sort of time spent with some purchased tech device..... I read that somewhere. What about a geek, applying to the phrase because he is a feminist nerd? This person who describes her feminism as nerdy, keeps it cool with an invisible, @ non-threatening appeal. as long as you wanna take your time to listen and pay attention to the issues....... and there are many psychologically blowing you into a wasteland off the regular avenue.